--- Log opened Sun Dec 18 11:47:37 2011
13:40 < conseo> mcallan: can you give differences to adhocracy again?
13:51 < mcallan> conseo: differences?
13:52 < conseo> yes, technological, desgin differences
13:52 < mcallan> ach, thomas knows this better than i do... let me see if i can find his posts...
13:55 < mcallan> hmm, here's his overview (might be a little dated): http://zelea.com/w/User:ThomasvonderElbe_GmxDe/Softwarevergleich
13:56 < conseo> awesome
13:58 < conseo> wie ist dein geraspora nick?
13:58 < conseo> uubs
14:10 < conseo> mcallan: hmm, now i am responsible to drive cross-project efforts forward...
14:11 < serapath> ;-)
14:11 < serapath> perfect candidate
14:11 < serapath> *g*
14:13 < conseo> not sure, it was a defensive action
14:15 < serapath> i think a major problem is, that not so technical people, and most of them are, have no concept of what such a plattform could do and is all about. before they comprehend, they need something to see (demo & videos) ...during the next meeting, maybe next week, it could be presented
14:15 < serapath> its an opportunity to show them what ovn should be all about, ...to bad thomas is not available, because he already made some videos
14:15 < serapath> maybe he could do a translation
14:18 < mcallan> thomas invented vote mirroring, which afaik is the only possible means of x-project cooperation.  without vm, it'll be dog eat dog
15:31 < serapath> hmm conseo?
15:31 < conseo> serapath: yes
15:33 < serapath> http://blog.theoccupyboard.com/post/14405262478/theoccupyboard-architecture-overview-with
15:34 < serapath> what do you think?
15:35 < conseo> why not
15:35 < serapath> k
15:35 < conseo> but this is only discussion related
15:35 < conseo> we also plan to hook in in any medium which has a public web interface (urls to crawl)
15:35 < serapath> so maybe there's a way to connect this to votorola?
15:35 < conseo> i have written our current crawler
15:36 < conseo> we have one already and we have a big advantage
15:36 < serapath> ok so we should talk to them
15:36 < conseo> we only search for links to the difference bridge, so we don't need to parse text
15:36 < serapath> so they dont have to redo the work
15:36 < conseo> well, they need sth. different likely, but we could cooperate maybe
15:37 < serapath> i think so, because in the end, whatever is discussed somehwere should enter votorola at some stage
16:21 < conseo> but for votorola only the difference bridge related discussions are interesting. the rest is still issue to the various usual discussion media. there is no need for votorola to interfere with this information
16:43 < conseo> serapath: votorola doesn't include a discussion medium, because this is not part of the its purpose. it is not a weakness, but atm. we support irclogs and pipermail weblog crawling, we can hook into any web-interface though. (just to reemphasize this as a further advantage of votorola)
16:44 < conseo> the feed in crossforum will list all relevant (difference link between voter and his candidate posted from one of these two) posts on all crawled media archives (even from the past)
16:46 < conseo> serapath: you have seen the feed in crossforum already, have you?
16:48 < serapath> url?
16:48 < serapath> it says it doesnt work
16:53 < conseo> serapath: what says it doesn't work
16:53 < conseo> url means link
16:54 < conseo> mcallan: server still down?
16:54 < conseo> nope
16:54 < conseo> serapath: http://zelea.com:8080/v/w/D?b=4044&a=4047&aR=2720&bR=2721 this is an url to the difference bridge
16:54 < serapath> yes link
16:54 < conseo> this is very specific and easy to search for
16:55 < serapath> nice
16:55 < serapath> what is it?
16:55 < conseo> http://zelea.com/y/vw/xf/#c=DV&s=G!p!prz here you can see the feed
16:55 < conseo> it shows the textual differences between two positions
16:57 < conseo> the crawler searchs for these urls, then talks to votorola to get to know whether the poster of the message is one of the two positions, and if s/he is then a snippet with link to the url is stored in xf's database
16:57 < serapath> ah nice
16:57 < serapath> this works
16:57 < serapath> i have another link where it always tells me the feed is not available
16:58 < serapath> i think we should contact http://blog.theoccupyboard.com/post/14405262478/theoccupyboard-architecture-overview-with
16:58 < serapath> i know mrbradley and pways
16:58 < conseo> can you post this link?
16:58 < conseo> kk
16:58 < serapath> 2 users who are very deep into that project
16:58 < serapath> pways is from attac
16:58 < serapath> mrbradley is a mask
17:02 < conseo> ok
17:12 < conseo> serapath: what is the link to the defect feed?
17:14 < serapath> http://zelea.com/y/vw/xf/#s=G!p!sandbox*1&c=DV
17:14 < serapath> http://zelea.com/y/vw/xf/#a=qUS$&c=DV&s=G!p!sandbox*1
17:25 < mcallan> conseo: i can't duplicate.  the query is properly served: http://zelea.com:8080/v/xfDiff?form=json&since=0&pretty=y
17:26 < mcallan> if i switch to geomap (unfiltered) i get all the bites: http://zelea.com/y/vw/xf/#c=DG
17:27 < mcallan> there's no messages for the G/p/sandbox, i guess.  but that's not error ofc
17:37 < conseo> exactly
17:38 < conseo> maybe it takes too long
17:41 < mcallan> doubt it.  the timeout is huge i think, like 30s
17:43 < mcallan> away for supper
17:49 < conseo> ok, with me the json document takes long to load
17:49 < conseo> mcallan: do you get the timeout as well locally?
17:51 < mcallan> no timeout for me.  your latest query (in catalina.out) is http://zelea.com:8080/v/xfDiff?form=json&since=1324247880973&pretty=y
17:52 < mcallan> i guess that's just the heartbeat query, which is why it's empty
17:53 < mcallan> back in 15 or so
17:54 < serapath> conseo: do you know the url of irc.prooops.com ?
17:55 < serapath> conseo: if difficulties to connect to it
17:56 < serapath> ok works
18:04 < conseo> mcallan: the error comes on http://zelea.com:8080/v/xfDiff?form=json&since=0 which takes quite some time to load
18:07 < conseo> http://whiletaker.homeip.net/feed-timeout-error.png
18:15 < conseo> mcallan: i got some time now to skype
18:21 < conseo> serapath: are you registered in the pollwiki?
18:25 < serapath> i'm not sure
18:25 < serapath> maybe
18:25 < serapath> serapath or path
18:25 < serapath> could you find out?
18:25 < serapath> :D
18:25 < serapath> i'm registered somewhere
18:25 < serapath> maybe wiki? maybe votorola?
18:25 < serapath> it's all so confusing
18:39 < mcallan> conseo: confirm, this takes time to load.  for me it is instant: http://zelea.com:8080/v/xfDiff?form=json&since=0&pretty=y
18:40 < mcallan> serapath: click here first: http://zelea.com/w/Special:SpecialPages
18:40 < mcallan> then here: http://zelea.com/w/Special:ListUsers
18:41 < mcallan> those are mailish usernames (based on email address)
18:45 < mcallan> (you can always reach SpecialPages from the sidebar)
18:45 < conseo> mcallan: now it is faster
18:45 < conseo> serapath: says the person with several diaspora accounts :-p
18:47 < mcallan> no change on this side, no load on server.  let me know if it's ever slow again
18:48 < conseo> mcallan: have you changed sth.?
18:49 < mcallan> nothing, all is same afaik
18:50 < mcallan> one of ur requests a few moments ago seems to have aborted:
18:50 < mcallan> 18-Dec-2011 6:45:04 PM votorola.a.xf.diff.DiffFeedSS doGet
18:50 < mcallan> FINE: request from 46.5.68.5: http://zelea.com:8080/v/xfDiff?form=json&since=0&pretty=y
18:50 < mcallan> 18-Dec-2011 6:45:05 PM votorola.a.xf.diff.DiffFeedSS doGet
18:50 < mcallan> WARNING: 
18:50 < mcallan> ClientAbortException:  java.net.SocketException: Broken pipe at org.apache.catalina.connector.OutputBuffer.realWriteBytes(Unknown Source) at org.apache.tomcat.util.buf.ByteChunk.append(Unknown Source)
18:50 < conseo> serapath: this: http://zelea.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=User:Path&action=edit&redlink=1 ?
18:50 < conseo> hmm
18:50 < conseo> cryptic
18:50 < mcallan> (like you hit stop or something)
18:50 < conseo> yes
18:50 < conseo> maybe
18:51 < mcallan> (not likely meaningful)
18:51 < conseo> serapath: if you like to we could fill the feed with a message for sandbox
18:51 < conseo> we two
18:52 < mcallan> conseo, serapath: Path is not a valid username, it must predate the move to mailish usernames
18:53 < conseo> oh, sure
18:53 < conseo> ok
18:53 < mcallan> to login as Path, you must use ".Path"
18:54 < mcallan> see Usage: http://zelea.com/project/MailishUsername/MailishUsername.xht
18:54 < conseo> smart
18:54 < conseo> ok
18:55 < conseo> mcallan: have you got some time to skype still?
18:56 < mcallan> sure, i'll ring in u 5, ok?
18:56 < conseo> kk
--- Log closed Mon Dec 19 00:00:22 2011