--- Log opened Fri Apr 29 00:00:59 2011
03:52 < mcallan> xfbot: where have you been all this time?
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03:57 < conseo> mcallan: couldn't find out, there was nothing in the log :-/
03:57 < conseo> i hope i do
04:00 < mcallan> does it still harvest email when it's down like that?
04:05 < conseo> yep, there have been new message in crossforum, but i haven't checked the times, will check next downtime
04:07 < mcallan> you'll trace it eventually.  there are ways
04:08 < mcallan> as a fallback, you can always put a watchdog on it.  give it a kick when you detect it's down
09:18 < conseo> you mean i should write a test-message to the list when i see that it is down?
12:10 -!- The_User_ is now known as The_User
16:01 < mcallan> conseo: no, i mean automatically detect when it's down (with a watchdog) and restart it.  Or better, restart just the thread that's hung. (But only if it's taking too long to trace the fault.  Otherwise just fix it, ofc)
16:06 < conseo> mcallan: should the new bubble be realized with a svg around the celllist elements?
16:07 < mcallan> css is probably simpler, though it won't be easy
18:16 < conseo> but i am supposed to do this or do you have layout plans (beside css) already?
18:19 < conseo> i mean regarding the cell-list view
18:27 < mcallan> do you like the visual?  i didn't realize when i started the mockup that the bubbles would fall so heavily on the diff feed, it just came out that way.
18:39 < mcallan> (if you don't like it, then nobody codes it.  simplest case ;-)  it was just an idea.  if you do like it, then it's your decision how to impl it, or who to have impl it, etc.)
18:44 < mcallan> conseo: we have German localizations now in the theatre client.  code is committed, but not running yet
18:44 < conseo> ok, very cool
18:45 < mcallan> (not running on v, i mean)
18:49 < mcallan> running here (pardon my German): http://havoc.zelea.com:8080/vdev/crossforum/?locale=de#c=DumV
18:52 < conseo> Ünspecified, he :-D
18:53 < mcallan> lol
19:08 < conseo> mcallan: what should the username be like? like the mnemonic in your mockups or mailish-username?
19:09 < conseo> mailish-username is too long and difficult to fit in a layout
19:09 < conseo> http://whiletaker.homeip.net:8080/voff/crossforum/#c=DG
19:10 < conseo> personally i like the mnemonics 
19:11 < conseo> the only thing that might be more unique and better visualized would be an avatar
19:11 < mcallan> apologies to Alex, so do i.  full names are best, but only if they fit
19:11 < conseo> but this would clutter the interface
19:11 < mcallan> exactly
19:12 < conseo> i have a problem with the fullnames, because as you can see, there is barely place and it is difficult to predict their length (i can't)
19:12 < mcallan> also mnemonics are more likely to be in the map, so it's easier to match them
19:12 < conseo> i can strip them, but then this looks ugly
19:12 < mcallan> yes, mnemonics are best. rounder corners are hard, how did you do it?
19:12 < conseo> so i should add the mnemonic to the person bite?
19:13 < conseo> http://blog.webmart.de/2010/04/07/rounded-corners-via-css/
19:13 < conseo> sorry for ie<9
19:13 < conseo> but this is so much better than this table hack
19:14 < mcallan> ah, of course. it's in css3.  good
19:14 < conseo> so i add the mnemonic to the person feet?
19:15 < conseo> i have to extend the db-table then as well...
19:15 < mcallan> moment...
--- Log opened Fri Apr 29 19:24:50 2011
19:26 < mcallan> conseo: i'd just call something like buildUserMnemonic(): http://zelea.com/project/votorola/_/javadoc/votorola/a/diff/DraftPair.html
19:26 < mcallan> but on the client side
19:27 < mcallan> put the user's browserr to work :-)
19:28 < conseo> ok
19:28 < mcallan> i need that myself tonight (coding the first circle of end-candidates)
19:28 < mcallan> conseo: you want to code it, or should i?
19:29 < conseo> i'll try to,
19:29 < conseo> otherwise i will notify you
19:29 < mcallan> ok, i'll just fake it till i can pull your code
19:31 < mcallan> conseo: make it compatible with what DraftPair has (same params if possible) ok?
19:32 < mcallan> then we don't need two methods in the code, doing the same thing
19:34 < conseo> ok
19:35 < mcallan> also (just because i ran into this kind of thing before) see: http://zelea.com/project/votorola/_/javadoc/votorola/a/poll/Polls.html
19:35 < mcallan> (just so you know)
20:28 < conseo> mcallan: a first hack: http://whiletaker.homeip.net:8080/voff/crossforum/#c=DG
20:29 < conseo> is it ok if all bubbles point to the left side (first author)?
20:38 < mcallan> conseo: that was pretty quick...
20:39 < mcallan> i agree with thomas, voter should always be on left...
20:39 < conseo> voter, hmm
20:39 < conseo> ok
20:40 < mcallan> and if there's no voter/candidate relation, then order them as the diff bridge does it (alphabetical i think)
20:40 < mcallan> which means the bubble pointer may go left or right
20:49 < mcallan> conseo: you may know already, but i recently coded this: http://zelea.com/project/votorola/_/javadoc/votorola/a/crossforum/ss/PersonJig.html#countNode(votorola.a.poll.Count)
20:50 < mcallan> probably we should both use that method, to avoid database load
20:53 < conseo> ok,
20:53 < conseo> where am i supposed to use it?
20:53 < mcallan> when you want to know who's the voter
20:53 < mcallan> assuming you want to know at feed time
20:53 < conseo> ah ok
21:08 < conseo> mcallan: i am off for today
21:08 < conseo> n8
21:08 < mcallan> n8 c
--- Log closed Sat Apr 30 00:00:53 2011