--- Log opened Sun Apr 10 00:00:35 2011
04:59 < conseo> mcallan: i think using crossforum as the homepage is a good idea
05:01 < conseo> i guess that some adjustments as well as some good default view (e.g. on some metagov topic) are necessary, but i like the idea
05:50 < thomasvonderelbe> conseo: I pulled from you in the metagov-rules-poll. here our new diff: http://u.zelea.com:8080/v/w/D/?a=4203&aR=2867&b=4198&bR=2872
05:52 < thomasvonderelbe> I think its better to discuss it on the list. I just wanted to see the bot recognise the diff and see what happens.
05:53 < thomasvonderelbe> why doesnt he print out more infos? he did before, didnt he?
05:53 < conseo> have you set your irc nickname on your zelea.com-wiki-page?
05:56 < conseo> thomasvonderelbe: nope you haven't. have a look at my page and set the IRC nickname accordingly
05:57 < thomasvonderelbe> ah I see
05:58 < conseo> I am ok with it so far, but http://u.zelea.com:8080/v/w/D/?a=4203&aR=2867&b=4198&bR=2872#_1.1 reverts my change to make clear that it has to reach back from the point where the change is about to be applied.
05:58 < xfbot> POLL: G/p/m00
05:58 < xfbot> AUTHOR: 4consensus WebDe
05:58 < xfbot> POSURL: http://metagovernment.org/w/index.php?oldid=2867
06:00 < conseo> and i think we should discuss here and on the list to get people a) interested in crossforum and b) to get at least some people a bit more responsive and more involved
06:02 < thomasvonderelbe> ok, new try: http://u.zelea.com:8080/v/w/D/?a=4203&aR=2867&b=4198&bR=2872
06:02 < thomasvonderelbe> hm
06:05 < conseo> i need to update the cache wait a sec
06:06 < thomasvonderelbe> ok
06:08 < conseo> thomasvonderelbe: retry
06:09 < thomasvonderelbe> http://u.zelea.com:8080/v/w/D/?a=4203&aR=2867&b=4198&bR=2872
06:09 < xfbot> POLL: G/p/m00
06:09 < xfbot> AUTHOR: ThomasvonderElbe GmxDe
06:09 < xfbot> POSURL: http://metagovernment.org/w/index.php?oldid=2872
06:09 < conseo> hehe
06:09 < thomasvonderelbe> yeah!!
06:09 < thomasvonderelbe> wow! I love this thing!
06:09 < conseo> to hit crossforum you need to have at least 50 chars (without the url) 
06:10 < thomasvonderelbe> a ok
06:10 < thomasvonderelbe> in one message?
06:10 < conseo> this is just a first guess to keep the entries of sufficient content
06:10 < conseo> yep
06:11 < thomasvonderelbe> the same with emails in the list?
06:12 < conseo> yep, having stripped all comments, all urls and some other stuff (like the footer) it should be longer than 50 chars atm.
06:13 < conseo> otherwise it won't be stored
06:13 < conseo> i think this is ok, since people will learn that on the way and will learn to give a valid summary of what they think about a difference if they want it to show up in crossforum.
06:14 < conseo> 50 chars is not much btw.
06:19 < thomasvonderelbe> plz have a look in your email. I sent one 30min ago to the list and it doesnt show up in crossforum
06:19 < thomasvonderelbe> was it to short
06:19 < thomasvonderelbe> ?
06:22 < thomasvonderelbe> no its longer than 50char
06:22 < thomasvonderelbe> why then?
06:25 < conseo> you have posted this: http://u.zelea.com:8080/v/w/D/?a=4203&aR=2867&b=4198&bR=287
06:25 < xfbot> POLL: G/p/m00
06:25 < xfbot> AUTHOR: 4consensus WebDe
06:25 < xfbot> POSURL: http://metagovernment.org/w/index.php?oldid=2867
06:26 < conseo> there is a "/" in there, but it works here, so i am not sure
06:27 < conseo> thomasvonderelbe: it is not too short so this might be a bug
06:27 < conseo> i have a look at it later
06:27 < conseo> got to go
06:27 < thomasvonderelbe> ok, no problem
06:31 < thomasvonderelbe> no I have posted this: http://u.zelea.com:8080/v/w/D/?a=4203&aR=2867&b=4198&bR=2872
06:31 < xfbot> POLL: G/p/m00
06:31 < xfbot> AUTHOR: ThomasvonderElbe GmxDe
06:31 < xfbot> POSURL: http://metagovernment.org/w/index.php?oldid=2872
06:31 < thomasvonderelbe> the 2 in the end was missing
06:31 < conseo> i know my point was that "/?" is in there, why i assumed the query to start with "?" simply, but both should work (as they do here)
06:59 < thomasvonderelbe> in the 5. post in the feed, there is also a "/?" and it does show up. just to mention...
08:05 < thomasvonderelbe> conseo: thinking about it: is the 50char limit really good?
08:06 < thomasvonderelbe> I mean ...
08:06 < thomasvonderelbe> in a chat ...
08:06 < thomasvonderelbe>  you sometimes write like this.
08:06 < thomasvonderelbe> short posts
08:06 < thomasvonderelbe> but many in a row
08:07 < thomasvonderelbe> something like: wait I send you the diff right away...
08:07 < thomasvonderelbe> here it is
08:07 < thomasvonderelbe> you see what I mean?
10:58 < conseo> thomasvonderelbe: sure i know what i mean and i have considered that. but these short messages are very difficult to summarize and contain only little information
10:59 < conseo> thomasvonderelbe: if you discuss something seriously then you should write whole sentences and you have to use some grammar to tell what you mean, so 50 chars are pretty low imo
10:59 < conseo> s/what i mean/what you mean
11:03 < conseo> thomasvonderelbe: this last sentence has 160 chars...
11:04 < conseo> it is also imo not necessary to store every mentioning of a diff by its author, so we might even rise that to 70 or even 100 chars if too many posts with little information come in
11:04 < conseo> but i don't consider that atm.
11:05 < conseo> good that you mention it though, since it is this stuff which we need to think about
13:56 -!- conseo_ is now known as conseo
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