--- Log opened Sun Mar 20 00:00:45 2011
00:41 < conseo> xfBot: help
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00:43 < conseo> this message will hit the testing db now. let's see how far we can get with this. http://u.zelea.com:8080/v/w/D?b=4048&a=4042&aR=2772&bR=2767
00:43 < xfBot> POLL: G/p/mho
00:43 < xfBot> AUTHOR: 4consensus WebDe
00:43 < xfBot> POSURL: http://metagovernment.org/w/index.php?oldid=2772
00:51 < conseo> mcallan: i have now put the log files in outdir (votorola/out/voharvester/irclog) as you suggested, i have searched a lot for a common irc-weblog solution which i could simple make a default for the start
00:51 < conseo> but i haven't found one to be honest
00:52 < conseo> i have found one that uses ajax and looked pretty neat, but i could reference a certain point in time (when a diff-url is mentioned), because it was an internalt id type
00:53 < conseo> i also thought that there should be an ajax (i even thought of gwt) web application which simply loads any type of typical irclog from the same path and parses it in the browser, but i couldn't find it either
00:53 < conseo> anyhow, you can switch it off if you don't like it, but it should cost you much and it gives a quick reference to follow the context and further discussion from crossforum
01:10 < mcallan> conseo: ok. and i do agree, it's not much use without a log.
01:11 < conseo> mcallan:  http://whiletaker.homeip.net:88/irclog/2011-03-20/Nmetagov.html#1300596304915
01:16 < mcallan> The requested URL /irclog/2011-03-20/Nmetagov.html was not found on this server.
01:26 < conseo> mcallan: haven't configured apache properly as it seems. anyway then i don't want to have it on the web for now, i'll show you tomorrow after tidy up
01:27 < mcallan> ok
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18:58 < conseo> mcallan: have you head a look at webgl already?
19:09 < mcallan> conseo: never heard of it before. guess it could come in handy for some theatre maps.
19:09 < conseo> yep, i just got the idea that it might be helpful to have one more dimension for structure visualization
19:11 < mcallan> yes, it might in some cases. hope to get back to coding crossforum soon. Lots to do.
19:14 < conseo> http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/developerworld/2011/02/24/webgl-support-in-the-android-web-browser/
19:14 < conseo> can u view flash?
19:15 < mcallan> not on this box
19:16 < conseo> u can use the flashgot firefox plugin to download the .flv/.mp4 file and watch that with some movie player
19:16 < conseo> (just wanted to mention that i find the video impressive)
19:17 < mcallan> in terms of the graphics it supports?
19:17 < conseo> i guess will soon have 3d globe visualization solutions for the browser
19:17 < conseo> yep
19:18 < conseo> the firefox 4 fosdem presentation was maybe more interesting in regards to new web apps
19:22 < mcallan> we'll have to code a plugin framework eventually for the theatre app, so people can experiment more easily. just now the challenge is more to code something that works, and the uglier the better (get it done faster).
19:23 < conseo> http://blog.openstreetmap.de/2011/01/osm-wochennotiz-nr-25/globus/
19:25 < mcallan> yes, it looks cool at that distance.  tho the flat projection makes better use of screen space. zoom in, and it goes flat anyway
19:25 < conseo> sure, but we can keep it in mind, having another axes can be something to think about in understanding better how you would like to browse the trees/social maps
19:25 < conseo> mcallan: yep
19:27 < mcallan> yes, tho there too, it's a challenge to live within all the constraints, and another degree of freedom adds to the complexity. i think we have to experiment, at least a few parallel attempts before we get anything that's quite right. we need users, then we need devs, then we're on the road...
19:28 < mcallan> i'll have the footing layout complete in a few hours, and maybe even have it all functional by end of tonight
19:29 < mcallan> one more tiny step on the road
19:30 < conseo> sure it was not a proposal to go all about webgl now, just something i figured out would be handy. but anyway you likely thought about that already
19:31 < conseo> sure users first. and we (atm. you) need to get the voting and drafting process ready
19:31 < mcallan> (nope, first i heard. it does look promising. i think we made the right choice to stick with w3c web standards. none of this flash nonsense)
19:31 < conseo> once i can bridge two media (mail and irc) the feed might already be of some value for us
19:32 < conseo> +1001
19:32 < conseo> i hate flash 
19:32 < conseo> i think it has been a great technology and it could have turned in a standard, but is really locked
19:32 < conseo> s/is/it is/
19:32 < mcallan> yes
19:33 < conseo> btw. i have found some rtmpdump tricks yesterday to watch many of the flash streamed newsmedia directly from stdin in e.g. mplayer or vlc
19:34 < conseo> the quality for al jazeera english is much better than in the flash player for me
19:34 < conseo> if you are interested in watch this stream stuff easily i could dump the aliases in on obsedian for u
19:36 < mcallan> thx c, i hate watching/reading anything on the box. glued to this thing 10-14 hours a day, just want to escape from it when i'm done. :-)
19:37 < mcallan> i like books i can hold in my hand, book shelves i can walk the length of, real stuff :-)
19:48 < conseo> understandable
19:49 < conseo> i hope mobile internet will allow u me to be more mobile. i hate being bound to one place
19:53 < mcallan> also understandable... yes
20:26 < conseo> mcallan: is Abstract in the class name reasonable? i haven't seen that in any official java docs
20:26 < conseo> other wise the abstract base class would be simply Harvester, which makes more sense to me
20:31 < mcallan> i usually call the bare type (whether its a class or interface) by the plainest name.  so yes, just Harvester.  then qualify the names of the subclasses: ThisHarvester, ThatHarvester, ...
20:32 < mcallan> (use hg mv, not just mv ;-)
20:38 < conseo> ok, thx
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