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01:29 < conseo> mcallan: re
01:43 < mcallan> conseo: re?
01:50 < conseo> mcallan: resume
01:53 < mcallan> i haven't run it yet, i've been tied up with file permissions. making it so you can help admin the feed.
01:55 < conseo> ok cool
01:55 < conseo> i'd be interested in user attributes. how and where can i get them?
01:56 < mcallan> which attributes?
01:57 < conseo> e.g. irc name
01:58 < conseo> i don't need it now, but i would like to get the idea and then come back to you if i need sth. from you
01:59 < mcallan> ok - from semantic properties in the user's page of the pollwiki, i can set up an example whenever you need it
01:59 < mcallan> (at least i assume that's the best place)
02:00 < conseo> sounds reasonable, are some settings already pulled that way?
02:00 < conseo> some code i could stare at...
02:03 < mcallan> (moment)
02:04 < conseo> sure, i am just talking, nothing urgent
02:06 < mcallan> s'ok - two examples, first is config script that pulls config from wiki: http://u.zelea.com/system/host/u/home/v/votorola/poll.js
02:10 < mcallan> i thought i could get you a java example too, but it looks like i don't have one. But here's the Java part of it (and this is what the config script calls into too): http://zelea.com/project/votorola/_/javadoc/votorola/a/Pollserver.html#wikiCache()
02:10 < conseo> ok, thx
02:15 < conseo> btw. last time it got lost: makes it sense that one can edit drafts anonymously? i know that is how mediawiki works.... have you already thoughts on this?
02:16 < mcallan> yes I agree, anon is OK
02:19 < conseo> well i am not sure if this is good choice if everybody has her/his own drafts anyway. do you plan to use sighted versions or some other solution for mediawiki?
02:20 < conseo> i understand that for the discussions it is pointless as long as the revision pointers are fixed anyway, but for browsing positions this is an invitation for trolling
02:21 < mcallan> anon edit is *not* OK, you are saying?
02:22 < conseo> ehm, i am pro anon, i am just wondering about trolling
02:22 < mcallan> troll? or spam?
02:23 < conseo> trolling to take the more serious to deal with problem.
02:24 < mcallan> how does anon edit help the troll?
02:24 < conseo> well i can simply go to a person i don't like or even a random person and post some funny stuff in their position
02:24 < mcallan> it will be deleted
02:24 < conseo> by whom?
02:25 < mcallan> voters and author
02:25 < conseo> anon :-D
02:25 < mcallan> (or anon)
02:25  * conseo obeys to the anon master
02:26 < conseo> but it will still be visible for some time, right? so if you do it regularly you will be able to attack positions
02:26 < mcallan> no, then it's vandalism - equiv to spam
02:26 < conseo> sighted versions might help here though, so we can postpone possible problems for now
02:27 < conseo> at least there is a clear judge (in contrast to wikipedia)
02:28 < conseo> ok, i think it is not a serious problem for now, which impresses me to be honest
02:28 < mcallan> ok
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03:48 < conseo> mcallan: have you moved to gwt-2.2 yet?
03:54 < mcallan> conseo: no, looks like i'm still on 2.1.1.  but i can move if u need it.
03:54 < conseo> no i don't need to, i just wanted to know if it is save to upgrade
03:54 < conseo> but it might make sense to do it early
03:55 < mcallan> ;-) my own rule is never upgrade till there's a need: http://zelea.com/system/
03:56 < mcallan> (but i don't mind, if it's u doin the smoke testing)
03:59 < conseo> ok
04:05 < mcallan> conseo: c is now in the votorola group, so pollserver files are open to u
04:05 < conseo> ok cool
04:06 < conseo> btw. has the hosts.allow mask for kabel-badenwürttemberg.de worked?
04:06 < mcallan> (yes) also check ur bash history for sudo lines, you have ls and less access to pollserver mail
04:07 < mcallan> (gotta use sudo till i figure how to loosen mail dir permissions)
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04:08 < mcallan> conseo: hey c, let me know if u see any security holes on the server, so i can tighten 'em
04:09 < conseo> ok, i have no experience in that, but i'm interested in it, so i might give it a try
04:09 < mcallan> thx
04:09 < conseo> the same in the for you ;-)
04:10 < conseo> i really have to step my monitoring up
04:10 < mcallan> ok, it's a deal :-)
04:12 < conseo> deal :-)
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04:22 < mcallan> conseo: i'm going to grab lunch, then i'll get the feed running
04:22 < conseo> ok, bon appetite
04:24 < mcallan> merci
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05:53 < mcallan> conseo: i have to modify your logger fields a little, so they obey logging.properties
05:54 < conseo> ok, what is wrong?
05:56 < mcallan> a couple minor things, the abstract base classes are constructing loggers that never get used
05:57 < mcallan> no problem that, just confusing
05:57 < mcallan> but this: logger = LoggerX.i("MailHarvester.class")
05:57 < mcallan> should b: logger = LoggerX.i(MailHarvester.class)
05:58 < mcallan> else this logging.properties rule will not work: votorola.a.diff.feed = FINEST
05:58 < mcallan> (no problem, i'll fix them)
05:58 < conseo> ok, thx!
06:03 < conseo> where does valueFromRDF in poll.js:60 come from?
06:04 < conseo> and what is __hvvww_wiki btw. i can't grep-find it
06:04 < conseo> and of course google didn't find it either
06:05 < mcallan> you shelled in?
06:06 < mcallan> grep in /home/v/votorola
06:10 < conseo> ok it is simply a null checker
06:12 < conseo> brb
06:43 < mcallan> conseo: voharvester is catching exceptions and doing: e.printStackTrace()
06:45 < conseo> what is wrong with that?
06:45 < conseo> i have done that for debugging
06:45 < mcallan> it
06:46 < mcallan> (sry)
06:46 < mcallan> it's a daemon, so it should log errors - it has no console
06:47 < conseo> ok, sure it is just for now until i am sure the code roughly behaves as it should. i know that the stack traces are temporary
06:47 < mcallan> like this logger.log( Level.WARNING, "i'm having trouble doing this", e )
06:48 < conseo> i have done that mostly, can you paste the stacktrace in the pad?
06:48 < mcallan> ok, but we won't see the exceptions, that's the problem - it fails and we don't know why
06:49 < mcallan> the errors are my fault, i'm using havoc's wiki, instead of u's, so all the rev #'s are wrong
06:49 < mcallan> but it appears to be working
06:49 < mcallan> i'll install on u, and see what happens
06:53 < conseo> ok
06:54 < conseo> if there are stack traces without logging then this is indeed my fault, i must have missed them
06:54 < conseo> i'll check
06:56 < mcallan> (i pasted it to the pad) it was no trouble, because i did have console. but no console on u, it will run as daemon (unless you want to 'screen' it later for debug)
06:59 < conseo> ok
07:30 < conseo> mcallan: but you get a log message there as well, not only the stack trace
07:32 < mcallan> true there was short log message
07:34 < mcallan> i got this 'WARNING: Could not get draftPair: No such page revision(s): 4047 4044', but it was buried in 1000 lines of other output
07:36 < mcallan> if in doubt, you must *always* print the full trace.  And if you are daemon, never print it to console.  If admin wants output on console, he will configure logging.properties for console output.
07:43 < conseo> what do you mean with "the full trace" ? is e.printStackTrace() not all you can get?
07:43 < conseo> i am organizing my lunch, brb
07:44 < mcallan> yes, but it has to go to the log, cause there is no console
07:44 < mcallan> (bon appetite)
07:45 < mcallan> conseo: so like i said, do something like this: logger.log( Level.WARNING, "unable to parse diff URL", e )
07:46 < mcallan> and don't use 'print
07:46 < mcallan> (sorry) and don't use 'print' at all, except for temp debugging
08:05 < mcallan> it's running, let's give it some messages
08:17 < mcallan> conseo: i fed it a few weeks of metagov messages, and got 2 NPR exceptions (in pad)
08:18 < conseo> ok, stupid me
08:18 < conseo> happens if more than one diff string is found per message
08:20 < mcallan> the logs BTW are under /home/v/.java/, so u can shell in and see
08:22 < mcallan> it's still running tho, let's see if it harvested anything
08:22 < conseo> you can pull, is fixed now
08:24 < conseo> ehm, it keeps running, and repolls the maildir every INTERVAL seconds, as set in harvester.js
08:26 < conseo> huh your machine is under heavy load :-/
08:27 < mcallan> it's counting votes
08:27 < conseo> oh ok
08:31 < mcallan> should i try again? shouldn't it have harvested at least something, the first time?
08:31 < conseo> it should
08:31 < conseo> i can't access the db
08:31 < mcallan> nothing in there
08:32 < conseo> what is the table layout?
08:33 < mcallan>  id | title | author | addressee | url | poll | pos_url | summary | diff_url | sent_ts | parsed_ts
08:33 < conseo> ok, looks good. weird.
08:33  * conseo is studying the logs
08:33 < mcallan> i committed, please pull when u can
08:37 < mcallan> i'll feed it the same msgs
08:39 < mcallan> no exceptions on console this time
08:39 < mcallan> http://u.zelea.com:8080/v/xfDiff?form=json&pretty=y
08:40 < conseo> ok pulled
08:41 < conseo> when there is nothing in the db, then the array is empty
08:41 < mcallan> there is now (see above url) - only 2 messages, i bet if u grep there's a third or fourth in there (but not sure)
08:41 < mcallan> ur fix worked
08:42 < mcallan> oh, u can
08:42 < mcallan> (sry)
08:42 < mcallan> u can't grep, i forgot
08:53 < conseo> i got a hit at 9-Mar-2011 8:38:49
08:53 < mcallan> conseo: i want to figure out how postfix can deliver mail w/ looser permissions, so u can access the files. Have to be tomorrow.
08:54 < mcallan> u got two hits apparently, 2 rows in DB, and 2 bites from feed service
08:56 < conseo> that is really cool. but crossforum seems to be broken atm. on u.zelea.com
09:00 < mcallan> this is working: http://u.zelea.com/var/deploy/crossforum/#c=DumDum
09:00 < mcallan> what's broken?
09:01 < conseo> ok got an old link (which still showed the frame)
09:01 < mcallan> whoah, i actually am getting exceptions...
09:02 < conseo> ?
09:03 < mcallan> not sure yet
09:03 < conseo> i'll fix the logging next
09:05 < mcallan> ok, BTW u can tail tomcat in /var/log/tomcat-6/catalina.out
09:05 < mcallan> (that's where i see x's... )
09:05 < mcallan> (anyway, that's for me - sorry for all the noise)
09:07 < conseo> well as long as nobody else starts talking i don't think it is a problem (maybe i am wrong here)
09:07 < conseo> we can also chat privately over irc
09:15 < mcallan> well, never mind - it looks like a glitch in the dummy feed - i'll look into it more tomorrow
09:16 < mcallan> conseo: but this is sort of working: http://u.zelea.com/var/deploy/crossforum/#c=DDum
09:17 < mcallan> it repeats though, in a loop
09:17 < conseo> i know
09:18 < mcallan> ok
09:18 < conseo> this is next (after logging fixes)
09:18 < conseo> very cool! thx for setting me up! i'll get sth. to eat now
09:18 < conseo> cu later/tomorrow
09:18 < mcallan> it's past my bedtime, but i'm going post another test message, see what happens
09:19 < conseo> ok
09:19 < mcallan> ah, ok - cu
09:20 < conseo> is your time set correctly?
09:20 < mcallan> on u? give or take a minute
09:20 < conseo> it is (sry)
09:20 < mcallan> s'ok
09:29 < mcallan> conseo: ha, it worked!
09:34 < mcallan> conseo: i stuck another log trace in the pad, possibly a minor bug.
09:35 < mcallan> but it's so cool to see it working!
09:36 < mcallan> ok, i'm away too
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21:28 < conseo> mcallan: double scraping and logging is fixed now. u can pull
21:47 < conseo> mcallan: crazy what is possible nowadays in a browser: http://svg-edit.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/editor/svg-editor.html
21:59 < mcallan> conseo: hmm, maybe it crashes less often than inkscape. OK, pulling.
22:28 < mcallan> conseo: it's running now. I committed a change to logging levels because the "polling" message was filling logs. Hope it's OK.
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